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hi this is sean cahill and you're

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and i'm

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delighted to finally welcome on to the

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podcast with me uh keeping it in the uk

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for this show a respected investigative

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researcher in the uk and around the

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world with almost 40 years investigating

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a range of phenomena including ufos

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cryptids the paranormal and much much

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more owner of the popular phenomena

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magazine he is also owner of the

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awakening awakening expo which runs in

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blackpool this year from the 24th to the

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26th of june i will announce the winner

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of the two tickets being giving away uh

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given away later in today's show but

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thank you to everyone who entered that

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online before then i'd very much like to

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welcome mr steve mehra to the podcast

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oh thank you andy thanks for having me

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on

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it's good to finally speak to you the

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podcast's been going just over two years

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and there's been many times you've been

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requested as a guest are mentioned and

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uh i think i've been around like quite a

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bit of the uk so it's good to finally

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get to you and the timing works out

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fantastically well with the awakening

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coming up on the horizon as well

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before we get to awakening which we're

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going to talk about uh you've got a long

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illustrious uh storied career uh within

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the world of ufos and other phenomena

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and i want to talk about that first

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what was it that first attracted to you

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to this world of the unexplained uh i'm

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blaming me dad

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it's as simple as that it's easy to do

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he had um he had a load of books on the

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subject when i was young and uh i think

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when my friends were reading comics and

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stuff i was talking into eric von

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brad steiger books you know back then um

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40 years now so it's um

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i can appreciate that for me it was my

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gran she used to tell me all kinds of

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stories and she had them all kinds of

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library books that were 20 and 30 years

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the philadelphia experiment was one of

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them all remember that was uh 16 years

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years ago um and i remember going to the

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library and you would go to that mystery

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section or whatever it was and there was

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books on nessie and back then you could

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rent vhs for me and you could take the

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videos home and i used to watch all

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socks um no it's a it's a very strange

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and now like i can you know it's just

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to say that i've met these people now

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and i've worked with these people you

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know bad stage steiger did before he

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um and he said he said but he's a

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of ufos until i thought you know pretty

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much exhausted as much as i possibly

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could go because i was always one you

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find rational explanations or is there

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an explanation for some of these things

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distances of space you may be using some

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type of exotic engines and they're

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extraterrestrials and they want good

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foothills and good for earth and all

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this is just not going anywhere we are

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how people perceived the phenomena so i

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the frustration i'm not getting anywhere

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spiritual and so on and so forth

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those walls that's compartmentalized us

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attributes um associated from various

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that we originally had and for okay this

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we are on the cusp of ufology changing i

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that is the best way to move forward so

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and kind of been involved in all i've

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been involved in missing people

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time when i look at the cocktail of

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phenomena which is presenting itself

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this one to this these different areas

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where in fact that's what it really does

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and i don't really want to know why it

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was compartmentalized so much maybe it

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was on a purpose to stop us sort of

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gaining answers to a phenomena

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and but now we've dropped all those

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barriers we are gaining gaining some

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a direction away from the old hypothesis

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strong connection to earth and

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geological phenomena so

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ufology or uap studies static we are

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these different subjects of

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phenomenology are connected there are

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some who will link you know bigfoot to

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ufos and nessie to ufos for me that's a

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tad far some of those but what about

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yourself what are some of the more

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unusual links that you've uncovered

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um well surprisingly there's links all

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over the place

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i mean if we just take for an example um

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the paranormal which we refer to as a

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very old earthly phenomena

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um has

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numerous similarities or identifiers

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should we say

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identical things taking place in the

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subject of ufos we find that

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this

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phenomena predates

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historical documentation so

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it goes back maybe we're the new kids on

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the block who knows i mean it goes back

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as long as we can possibly think

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um but

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uh i mean when we say going back that i

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mean with you know my colleague who i

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work with we've got it back to i think

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700 000 bc botswana

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you know but what's interesting

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is that how this phenomenon as it tracks

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through time

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it changes its appearance the phenomena

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stays the same but the mask is forever

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changing

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which i don't know if we really ever

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seen the true

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the true phenomena i mean everything

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seems to be a representation of the

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phenomena and because it is

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interchangeable and

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and can provide physiological constructs

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for us to interact with so

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um

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i would say that is it's been going on

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since

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you know as long as we can think of

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uh the aspects of the power normally we

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used to put in a separate category as a

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separate box

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we were wrong to do so

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because the characteristics what take

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place in ufo encounters

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crosses over into the parallel crosses

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over into the cryptid phenomena now the

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cryptic phenomenon is a tricky one

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because you know you you may have

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is that possibility

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that in the most remote regions on

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planet earth

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there are some large creatures which

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you know might be in existence

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i mean it takes me back to the days of

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when they first discovered the panda

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bear

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and you know somebody come running out

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of the forest one day in japan and said

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you know we told people what they what

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it's seen this strange creature

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milling about quite slow moving

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black and white you know stands out in a

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foreign

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and um

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and they set off to try and discover

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more of them

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and uh they didn't find the next one to

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60 years later you know so

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that's because the environment he was

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living in is just

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you know it's it's not easy to to to

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trek through it's not easy for humankind

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to venture forth into it

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and that's why it's not so much of it

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being elusive

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it's expensive because of the geology

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now it's the same applies you know

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regarding you know if you talk about us

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bigfoot you know there's a lot of people

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i've talked to out there

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who believe it's a real physical

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creature i can't argue with that because

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there's physical evidence

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paranormal encounters and though you

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know those supposed to be

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many people think them to be

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non-physical phenomena that's not the

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case um

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but then you know when we talk about

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cryptis in the uk you know we have

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surprisingly we have a bigfoot in the uk

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seen quite a lot

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um it's you know it's not feasible to

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say an animal could live in the uk you

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know and not be known especially the

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amount of food it would require

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and

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to receive to recite it so many times

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you know but we have cryptids such as

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the dog men and the werewolf type thing

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that actually also happens overseas you

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know plenty of cases in the u.s a lot

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um but um the phenomena associated with

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the cryptids is we have lots of us

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factor type experiences

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you know which are associated to the

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void of sound this this sudden silence

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before the incident i mean certain

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frequencies that the phenomenon could be

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generating infrasolitu frequencies um

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which can also cause um your sensory

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perceptions to be altered even this even

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scent glands can can be altered through

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frequency to make you think you're

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smelling sulfur a surface associated

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with with those reports sulfur has also

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been associated to the ufo phenomena and

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so you find many many occasions these

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crossovers between them um and you find

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so many between them that

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you know you consider that

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there's a good structure there's a

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likely explanation that these

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deliverable phenomena

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are from a source that is delivering

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different things and

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you know we look at them as separate

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entities when in fact you know they are

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pretty much one of the same thing

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so if you look at these these various

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phenomenas being under one umbrella do

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you think the case is more likely as we

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discover like you say more and more

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about you know quantum physics and what

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the nature of reality as we learn about

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consciousness that potentially we aren't

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and haven't always been the dominant

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species on this planet and that there

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are other species that like you say that

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the panda wasn't hiding from as it

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wasn't being evasive we just couldn't

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find it and it's quite likely there's a

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chance that we're here now especially in

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the world of ufos that there are

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potentially non-human intelligences

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louis lozando famously referred to

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mankind's

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that maybe we should start looking

436
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closer to home and there's potentially

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something else on this planet we just

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can't see i totally agree i mean i

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absolutely agree i mean we've had this

440
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ruse for many years to stare up at the

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sky and think

442
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you know these things coming from the

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vast distances as opposed to trouble is

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too sci-fi for my liking uh it's like a

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star trek episodes unfolding i mean

446
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they're all bipedal and all

447
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you know there must be i mean if you

448
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take a take for an example how many

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different types of times of entities has

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been seen worldwide is over two thousand

451
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of them are they all coming from two

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thousand different planets out there you

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talk to the seti guys

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uh which we've done and they said well

455
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you know what it's quite an interesting

456
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quote

457
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space is unusually quiet that's what

458
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they said unusually quiet we're not

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seeing a superhighway pack

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backwards and fours traveling to earth i

461
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mean we get some bits and bobs now and

462
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again but we're not you know i mean if

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we look statistical surveys carried out

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the most the most recent one was pretty

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much only three quarters of the

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countries on the planet participated in

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um the sightings will be reported

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roughly about every 10 seconds now

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you have to take into consideration some

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of those are hoaxes not true some of

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them are misidentifications

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but at the same time it can also be

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conservative you're not everybody's

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reporting them yeah so even if we just

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rounded it off to say all right this ten

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scene every you know every well there's

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one scene every 10 seconds then

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where are they all coming from

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because one thing is for sure they're

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not got a super high way of traffic

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backing back

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going in and out passing backwards and

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forwards to earth

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you know we don't we'd see ionospheric

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disturbances all the time you know would

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it be easy to record and track

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and that's not the case

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um

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what the evidence supports is that it

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has a very a much more geological basis

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as as opposed to aerial i mean we might

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see things in the sky but when we're

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looking up we're usually unaware of

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what's really happening in our geology

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in the ground because we know that um

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that this phenomena

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can

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um has the capabilities of the

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metaphysical

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uh changes so that it can enter into

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cliffs

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it can go into the ground and go into

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hillsides and go to volcanoes you know

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we we aware of that that it breaches the

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physical reality we know

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and so when uh atik comes out and says

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you know there's trans

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medium travel of crafts well yeah we

509
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could have said that they could fly in

510
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in space possibly they could fly under

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water to get underwater in space you

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know

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deal with pressure

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uh and flying in our house so it makes

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it three different forms of travel

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um but they left out purposely the um

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the one that enters into physical

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culture the physical land

519
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where we've videoed them going into the

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land and seen them going in there

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and so

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that's been left out purposely and the

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reasons for that was

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because there's only so much the

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scientific community can digest

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so what we need to do is that we have to

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and don't get me wrong lou is very aware

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of this sort of stuff talk to him about

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this is he's very aware of all the extra

530
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stuff

531
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but to just throw it out on the table is

532
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a bit uh

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could be discouraging to scientific

534
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teams you know so

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since the pentagon came out and

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mentioned about you know the the footage

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that they got and the the pilots

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incidents reported

539
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there was a lot of interest from

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scientific community which are starting

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to look in and assist us you know offer

542
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their services

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in regard to research at uap

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and if we were to just throw it on the

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table all that woo-woo stuff then

546
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they're not it's going to be too hard

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for them to digest so it has to be done

548
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in digestible chunks deliverable chunks

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to them

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along the way we can't just throw it out

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on the table because we always scare

552
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them away you know i mean trying to

553
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,960
trying to say okay well we've got to

554
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,480
reconstruct physics in a sense of

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speaking because the physics that we

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00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:48,720
know doesn't comprehend

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00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:51,280
how how um it can be broken by this

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phenomena

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uh or manipulated so we have to do it in

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digestible chunks so but we are getting

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there in the higher i mean a number of

562
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:01,840
time i'm with a number of think tanks

563
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:04,960
on this i'm working with work is going

564
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:06,960
work is being carried out tests are

565
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,840
being carried out and it is almost there

566
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,200
it's almost

567
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,280
just about to flip

568
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:14,880
where there'll be

569
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,400
more evidence to support it's a

570
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:20,799
terrestrial phenomena

571
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,159
and not necessarily within our reality

572
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,919
we could be dealing with another reality

573
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,760
club very close and right next door to

574
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,600
us that's confirmed by scientists at

575
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:31,520
harvard university

576
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,400
um

577
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,280
and it's pops in and it pops out

578
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,360
it manifests and de-manifests it

579
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,919
materializes and de-materializes very

580
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,360
similar to the apple phenomena over the

581
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:43,679
ufo of the paranormal and poltergeist

582
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,480
stuff

583
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,240
um in fact the

584
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,440
the analysis of an apported mug

585
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,120
and

586
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,360
the details that we got back from the

587
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,840
investigation and analysis of that

588
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:57,760
showed that there had been such a huge

589
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,080
diathermic reaction it was on it was

590
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,760
very hard to identify with the original

591
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:03,760
mug at left

592
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,559
but it the diathermic reactions in the

593
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,640
mug were identical to the diathermic

594
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,320
reactions in plants

595
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,840
under the investigation of what is

596
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:14,000
referred to as plant traumatology

597
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:15,120
analysis

598
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,559
this is that is

599
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,000
i'll explain what that is that is when a

600
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:20,240
ufo comes is seen to manifest close to

601
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:21,280
the ground

602
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,720
just appears

603
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,799
it affects the plant growth it

604
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,080
disappears

605
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,840
the scientists go in

606
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,760
take the plants for analysis and find

607
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,440
out who's got these dietary reactions

608
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,640
what's interesting is that they're

609
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,120
almost identical if not identical

610
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,960
and which would suggest that the the

611
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,640
sudden manifestation of a ufo and a

612
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,320
sudden manifestation of a mug as an

613
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,159
apple are utilizing the very same

614
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,640
physics are involved now if we're

615
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,720
dealing with something which is from

616
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,400
some other planet

617
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,320
and we're also putting it against

618
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,400
something which is paranormal base which

619
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,559
is said to be an old earthly phenomena

620
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:56,480
then we should we shouldn't we shouldn't

621
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:00,159
be seen similarities in in the uh

622
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,919
in the physics of it of the physics of

623
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,120
that being you know about

624
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,520
materialization on both sides being so

625
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:08,240
identical so we have to say okay you

626
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,440
know there's another thing there's

627
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:11,120
another connection between the two you

628
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,880
know there's not just one there's many

629
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,520
many many of these zombies so

630
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,159
um is enough there now to say let's put

631
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,080
it on the table and say okay

632
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,320
we are dealing with

633
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,240
um a source

634
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:26,880
and that source is deliverable to us in

635
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,600
numerous different ways which also has

636
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,360
the capabilities of creating

637
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,919
physiological constructs

638
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,919
you know physical things you know uh

639
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,240
which we presume to be real i mean what

640
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,200
is real you know i mean because you know

641
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,760
people have said that they've felt

642
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,600
the presence of an apparition and they

643
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440
they have physical contact sometimes

644
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,360
they've been prodded called whatever

645
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,039
it's in our reality

646
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,120
physically interacts with us

647
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,280
and our environment so you say okay have

648
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,600
some physiology physicality to it just

649
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,520
like the ufo phenomena just like the the

650
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,000
cryptids and so on and so forth

651
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,320
so what is that deliverable source is

652
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,000
more the question

653
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,240
and um and it likes to have a laugh it

654
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,760
likes to trickles it likes to play games

655
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,760
um there's plenty of evidence of that

656
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,200
over the years through scientific

657
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,039
studies in this field

658
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:19,200
um and you'll also get the apparition

659
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:20,320
phenomena

660
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,559
drawing around saints tables seances and

661
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,679
stuff

662
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,440
and those were the first ones that came

663
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,679
into communication with entities and

664
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,000
ufos long before they were documented in

665
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,760
newspapers being seen in the skies and

666
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:34,799
stuff

667
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,600
um and the real society got involved in

668
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,080
that in the in germany and

669
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,760
we had some experiments take place in

670
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,679
canada phillip experiment we also in

671
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:45,200
england we had the skull experiment

672
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,400
going on

673
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,240
um i was involved with some of the more

674
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,880
advanced stuff as we moved on because i

675
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,960
had associates uh friends of mine who

676
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,919
involved any sort of advanced studies of

677
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,960
skull

678
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,440
uh we went one further into phenomena

679
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:01,360
project which was uh

680
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,600
again the same type of study program

681
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:07,279
and it's surprising that you know those

682
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,559
entities

683
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,600
um

684
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,000
small ufos would appear

685
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,559
size of a dinner plate shining lights

686
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,720
down they are physical

687
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,400
balls of light which are physical they

688
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:20,080
have mass you can catch them in your

689
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,520
hands you can feel the weight to them

690
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:24,159
the light travels through your fingers

691
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,279
um

692
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,240
there's a very close association

693
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,440
between

694
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:32,720
what we thought was just paranormal

695
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,919
in that ufo field you know and and even

696
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:37,840
contact cases so

697
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,799
um so for for me it's all just one great

698
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:43,120
big part and

699
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,799
we've conducted new research now which

700
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,480
is known as project doorway we've been

701
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,799
on that for about five years now

702
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:50,159
a lot of traveling around the earth the

703
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,360
planet but

704
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,159
a lot of really interesting

705
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,760
evidence and conclusions that we've

706
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,360
reached regarding

707
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,440
when these objects manifest

708
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,799
that they leave a gravitational

709
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,480
disturbance and gravitational well which

710
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,919
is measurable

711
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,919
it's measurable it it

712
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,320
it's like residual in into into our

713
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,919
environment for a short period of time

714
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,520
and it's measurable

715
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,960
and you can actually even see the

716
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,799
effects of this through light bending

717
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,200
through the gravitational world so

718
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,279
um so yeah we are getting somewhere we

719
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,360
really are advancely moving forward now

720
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,320
in this subject just on its edge now

721
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,960
it's just about ready to flip over

722
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,480
because at the higher end you've got

723
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,360
these guys the scientists guys saying

724
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,440
doing the experiments and and looking at

725
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,600
that side of the thing on the other side

726
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,400
that old 78 we can't ignore it you know

727
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,080
just as the government shouldn't the

728
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,880
last 70 years of uh ufo phenomena we

729
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,039
can't ignore that there's some very very

730
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,799
interesting phenomena that's been

731
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,440
reported and seen by many many military

732
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,600
people very well documented

733
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,440
those can't be ignored

734
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,480
um

735
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,120
and i think it's not so much that we are

736
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:59,200
rebooting it under the heading of uap

737
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,000
now

738
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:01,919
we've made it something a little bit

739
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,120
more easier for academics to offer their

740
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,520
services and help us gain that extra

741
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,600
footage now because you know the

742
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,679
scientists would never be involved with

743
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,880
ufo

744
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,960
you know but now uap well that's a

745
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,799
little bit different so you know i'm

746
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,559
hoping that that will assist us

747
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,640
plentiful let me unpack some of that

748
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,320
steve because there's a lot within there

749
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:24,080
in a good luck to my co-host dan who

750
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,600
likes to go back and watch these and do

751
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,600
the time stamps for youtube so uh when

752
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,360
he's listening back to this good luck

753
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,799
unpacking all that it was a lot of

754
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:32,559
information a couple of things to bring

755
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,679
up though um the plant traumatology and

756
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,720
you talk about ufos materializing and

757
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,960
close to the ground is that

758
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,960
potentially where we get crop circles

759
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,880
from is that a link to that where they

760
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,480
create some sort of pattern or are you

761
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,480
just talking about an impact on the

762
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,559
immediate floor well

763
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:52,159
my conclusion on crop surface is going

764
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,440
to be slightly different than anybody

765
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,919
else's you'd ever probably heard

766
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,679
i mean i don't believe that the

767
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,919
phenomena creates crop circles i think

768
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,240
we can create crop circles i mean i know

769
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:03,520
i know some

770
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,240
very good people you know and uh and

771
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,320
what they can do they can even do weaved

772
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,000
crop circles you know in the middle of

773
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,840
the night and it is remarkable you look

774
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,120
at you think it's absolutely impossible

775
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,200
to create but it isn't just mathematics

776
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,120
at the end of the day but i will tell

777
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:18,799
you

778
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,960
during the test in 1996 um scientists

779
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,640
were involved some researchers were

780
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,360
researchers involved and of course some

781
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,440
of these guys i know which are very very

782
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,520
good at creating this phenomena

783
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,120
and they went out into a field and

784
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,840
created a remarkable remarkable crop

785
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,360
formation

786
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:39,200
and but what was really interesting is

787
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,480
that the

788
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,440
the phenomena that was registered from

789
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,840
equipment afterwards by the science team

790
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,240
they couldn't understand

791
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:50,799
it was as if that

792
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,880
somehow by creating the crop formation

793
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,120
and the result at the end result of that

794
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,440
is that there was phenomenal

795
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,200
readings

796
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,279
in that formation and it shouldn't be i

797
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,960
mean just the guys just went out there

798
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,520
and pressed pressed weak down

799
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,120
it shouldn't have been it should i mean

800
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,640
it did test play and it was nothing

801
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:12,159
usually

802
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,360
afterwards

803
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,520
there was there was lots of unusual

804
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:18,000
things readings and all sorts of strange

805
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,279
things going on

806
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,480
and they didn't couldn't understand

807
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,799
how that happens and i think this

808
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,960
there's something going on in regard in

809
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,200
the geology then and the human

810
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,399
consciousness

811
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:33,760
in regarding the creation of phenomena

812
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,120
um which is being recorded and monitored

813
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,120
diversely through crop circles around

814
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,799
the world but what we've done is we've

815
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,000
looked at that and thought it was an

816
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,360
external phenomena you know i mean um

817
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,279
though you know i say come across people

818
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,640
all the time saying this is an authentic

819
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,399
crop circle but what makes a crop circle

820
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,919
authentic well they pick up readings in

821
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,960
them

822
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,640
yeah but it doesn't mean that it's a

823
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,559
phenomenon has created it don't get me

824
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,399
wrong you know there is there are

825
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,679
patches of of of areas where it has been

826
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,600
adversely affected not so much a crop

827
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,039
formation but adversely affected by

828
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,360
possibly the ufo phenomena yeah i i

829
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,120
completely get that and i completely

830
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,120
understand about the microwave

831
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,120
effects on some of these plants

832
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,200
and but i mean when when you look at the

833
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:19,279
results of

834
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,240
um

835
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,720
the analysis it was in this crop circle

836
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,559
it fell in line with many of the other

837
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,240
crop circles which were fought to be

838
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,320
authentic around the world

839
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:29,760
um and yeah

840
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,279
this one was recorded and manufactured

841
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:35,600
in the field as we were there

842
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,640
and um and yet afterwards

843
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:40,960
it was left with the signature marks of

844
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,200
an authentic crop circle so

845
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,640
uh that kind of blew my mind a little

846
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,159
bit i would have thought to myself well

847
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,240
what's going on there then you know

848
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,399
because if that can happen

849
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,480
then we have to be looking at is it our

850
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,159
intent is there a conscious connection

851
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,240
between the geology of the of the ground

852
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:58,080
and what we're doing

853
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,440
um

854
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,200
maybe maybe there's there's certainly

855
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,840
more an area there to explore absolutely

856
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,840
more tests need to be carried out but i

857
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,919
was stumped on that one absolutely

858
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,840
that's really interesting another point

859
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:11,760
i wanted to bring out you mentioned that

860
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,720
so many sightings go unreported now i've

861
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,720
said many times on the podcast and knew

862
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,559
our listeners to the podcast recently

863
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,840
especially through the month of may

864
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,360
we've had a lot of new listeners and

865
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,360
viewers on youtube it wouldn't know the

866
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,360
podcast logo is a sighting i had in the

867
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,760
mid-90s in glasgow and there were five

868
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,520
of us including my mum my sister and a

869
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,000
friend and his mum and we saw basically

870
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,000
a ferris wheel sized ufo about half a

871
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,399
mile down the road um if you know uh

872
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,720
knightswood in glasgow it was in a very

873
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,120
built-up area lots of houses no fields

874
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,039
and it was pretty much next to a leisure

875
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,279
center and this thing was at a tilted

876
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,120
angle spinning at an incredible speed

877
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,080
now we all saw this it wasn't up in the

878
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:52,480
sky it was pretty much on the ground and

879
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,760
we looked at it noticed it and left we

880
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:58,000
didn't stay to watch it we just observed

881
00:31:04,470 --> 00:30:58,880
it

882
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,480
kid having an interest in ufos thought

883
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:06,000
it was fascinating

884
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,679
but we we just went on our way and

885
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,200
walked home lost sight of it and that

886
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,840
was it never disappeared never went away

887
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,519
but i wonder do you see any

888
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,200
commonalities in your your decades of

889
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:17,840
research investigations where people who

890
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,640
report or even don't report

891
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,480
get a sense of they saw something

892
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,000
because they were meant to see it but

893
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,240
not necessarily talk about it

894
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,919
or do you know you know

895
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,080
i wonder is that a case of we saw that

896
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,519
in an area there would have been lots of

897
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:34,320
people but did not necessarily see the

898
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:35,440
same thing

899
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,159
well

900
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,000
that's what makes this um

901
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,919
the ufo phenomena

902
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,200
so unusual

903
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,279
i mean uh when you have incidents where

904
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,720
half the country should have seen it

905
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,640
only a handful of people will

906
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,880
you know it is selective viewing it's an

907
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,320
observer effect it's a conscious

908
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,000
connection with the phenomenon certain

909
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,240
people in the given area might see it

910
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,240
when the majority wouldn't you know and

911
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,200
that we do get many many times

912
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:01,279
and there's a level and if you're tuned

913
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,640
in with that level you're going to be an

914
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,200
experiencer and see it

915
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,960
and if you're not then you're not it's

916
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,320
as simple as that i mean there's a big

917
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,760
thing to say you know when you talk to

918
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,360
people and say i've never seen anything

919
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,559
in my life

920
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,000
that's fine that's great that's

921
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,399
wonderful but is that because of the way

922
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,480
they are the way they think the way they

923
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,080
observe the world

924
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,840
because the person around the corner has

925
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,919
been seeing them all his life

926
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,480
you know and um and what's difference

927
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,480
between these people you know

928
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,720
there's these significant differences

929
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,640
between certain people and i think this

930
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,399
phenomena can target you can certainly

931
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,320
target people to experience a phenomenon

932
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,600
and others not

933
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,440
uh all that there is in fact out there

934
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,440
certain people which are just in tune

935
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,799
with that type of frequency and

936
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,440
consciousness at that moment in time to

937
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:47,679
experience it i mean

938
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:48,480
we

939
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,640
don't know if they fully exist within

940
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,960
our reality it would do for you when

941
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,360
many of the people with you

942
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,279
but if it did for everybody then you

943
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,880
know you think off the country would

944
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,480
have been reporting these things some of

945
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,720
them are huge football field lengths in

946
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,840
size

947
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,760
and and they just don't because you want

948
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,840
to get hand reported by four people

949
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,000
passing on the bus one day and it's just

950
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,679
it's so profound that's what makes it so

951
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,440
profound it's phenomenal that it's much

952
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,000
more than just the nuts and bolts crap

953
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,919
um

954
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,519
there is a new studies now that we're

955
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,159
working on can i say that yeah i can say

956
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,919
this yeah there's these new studies that

957
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,000
are working on now it's called it's the

958
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,600
we have specialized equipment which can

959
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,200
create cause

960
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:33,519
um to obtain data

961
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,640
from chemical analysis from uap

962
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:38,960
when you target uap with this equipment

963
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,600
you can get a chemical analysis readout

964
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,240
some of those chemical analysis readouts

965
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,600
are

966
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,919
pertaining to data

967
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,159
which is identifiable as a living

968
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,559
organism some of these things

969
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,720
so the uap phenomenon is even to be

970
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,120
broke down into structured craft living

971
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,080
organisms plant intelligent plasma

972
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:02,240
you know um we haven't got to that point

973
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:03,200
yet but

974
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,320
you know

975
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,640
we would have to do that we've got to

976
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,399
break it down because there seems to be

977
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,240
a multitude of things you know high

978
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,639
honest living organisms for one thing

979
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,399
not to know about them people are

980
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,720
experiencing i mean i'm reporting when

981
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,280
they're usually pilots at 75 000 feet

982
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,520
high you know stuff like that but

983
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,040
yeah there's there's a lot of strange

984
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,879
things in our atmosphere

985
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,760
and but are they fully in our reality is

986
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,760
a different question or not you know

987
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,359
some are some aren't

988
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,200
um and if you just talk about some of

989
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,520
these incidents like um the phoenix

990
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,879
lights incidents not only did we have

991
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:38,800
the lights over the mountain range

992
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,399
but we we had giant huge objects seen

993
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,839
flying wings

994
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:46,079
but they shimmered as they passed over

995
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,800
literally a hundred feet above people um

996
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,480
residential homes

997
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,919
and these were so big they said that

998
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,280
mitchell could land a

999
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,839
a jet on one of the wings it's alone you

1000
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,160
know acts as a runway

1001
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,320
and but they've shimmered and there was

1002
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,160
no radar readings from these things

1003
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,240
apart at all not not from those who they

1004
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,640
should have little radar systems like

1005
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,720
christmas tree and apparently it didn't

1006
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,720
um but then is that shimmer relating to

1007
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,880
the skirting our reality

1008
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,480
you know we might visually see them but

1009
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,640
are they fully there in our reality you

1010
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,720
know so and we got lots of reports like

1011
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,359
that in the uap or ufo for knowing when

1012
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:23,200
the kind of yes they are in our reality

1013
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,480
one minute at the court on radar next

1014
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,520
minute i'm not there the the army not

1015
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,200
you know they have the capabilities this

1016
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,680
phenomena to seemingly

1017
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,079
jump out of our reality into theirs or

1018
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:37,200
even just cusp it you know so we just

1019
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,160
get the

1020
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,680
you know we just might get one aspect

1021
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,119
such as might see it but it doesn't

1022
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,119
exist on radar it doesn't exist in a

1023
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,440
physical sense some people have reported

1024
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,880
aboriginal that some of these things

1025
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:49,040
have seemed to become see-through

1026
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,640
you know so we have to question that

1027
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,400
their capabilities regarding our

1028
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,880
physiological world might be massively

1029
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,800
different you know so we've got a lot of

1030
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,160
things that can it's not going to be

1031
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,160
easy but we've got a lot of things to

1032
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,920
contend with in the future regarding the

1033
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,119
uap

1034
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,040
and especially the talk about some of

1035
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,560
these objects

1036
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,560
experiencing time in a different way to

1037
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,160
how we do could

1038
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,560
could justify how they move and the the

1039
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,040
tic tac famously was apparently moving

1040
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,119
like a ping-pong ball inside of a glass

1041
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:19,200
when it was hovering above the water and

1042
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,720
people saying it was almost like a

1043
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,040
glitch and dan who's on the podcast with

1044
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,800
me mentioned that it seemed like a

1045
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,400
mobile phone when you drop it and your

1046
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,320
mobile phone for for people on youtube

1047
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,640
you know will tumble and fall

1048
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,079
and that seemed to be how the tic-tac

1049
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,400
was moving until it noticed favor and

1050
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,079
then it pointed up and straightened up

1051
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,920
and maneuvered properly so

1052
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,599
again it doesn't have to make sense and

1053
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:41,359
necessarily be a craft moving from a to

1054
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,400
b if this

1055
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,400
crafts is moving through time and i

1056
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,839
think that's something i've been talking

1057
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,079
about abductions at times on the podcast

1058
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,920
and people talk about abductions

1059
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,200
happening to their family through

1060
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,839
generations and you think why would a

1061
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,320
ufo and some entities be interested in

1062
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,000
your your grandchildren and your

1063
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,160
grandparents and everything in between

1064
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,920
well what if for them that was half an

1065
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,160
hour but for you it's been 100 years of

1066
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,520
your family but for them they've just

1067
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,800
been dipping in and out the timeline

1068
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,560
it's very very different

1069
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:10,160
yeah i mean we say people have missing

1070
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,359
their heart you know missing time for

1071
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,640
like two hours but they could have been

1072
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,119
just taken for for a minute yep you know

1073
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,280
i mean if i'm in a minute on aircraft

1074
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,560
you know wherever we are it could have

1075
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,640
been like two hours out of time we'd you

1076
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,320
know taking the account the term well

1077
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,839
not really you know which is really

1078
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,839
interesting but we do have evidence of

1079
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,440
the time association the time

1080
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,200
differentials in regard for now whenever

1081
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,960
there's something known as a dt meter

1082
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,400
now um

1083
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:33,839
it's

1084
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,599
a time displacement meter and when we

1085
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,800
measure

1086
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,440
um in locations where we've had recent

1087
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,599
manifestation activity of the new ap

1088
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,760
phenomena are you waiting for ufo for

1089
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,520
the winner um

1090
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,560
there is on some occasions latency which

1091
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,400
is measurable might only be 18

1092
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,800
milliseconds but it shouldn't exist

1093
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,320
unless it's miniature black holes around

1094
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,480
you know it just shouldn't exist so

1095
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,480
there is an association with like we

1096
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,640
were saying about time as well but you

1097
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,880
know what we didn't we didn't suspect

1098
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,280
our ancient ancestors there years and

1099
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,000
years back you know by utilizing

1100
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,000
key locations of energy geological

1101
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,680
energies on the earth and also utilizing

1102
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,160
the um the terahertz frequency from the

1103
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,640
sun which we only get from rising sun or

1104
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,000
settings on

1105
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:24,079
and combining them in resonant chambers

1106
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,280
and creating an

1107
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,800
arm which is very difficult to deliver

1108
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:28,480
now because the vocal cords have changed

1109
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:29,920
of humans

1110
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,839
and sometimes it takes years and we want

1111
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:33,200
to look at the goodra manager if it

1112
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,400
wants

1113
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:36,240
takes about 20 years to learn it that's

1114
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,760
even if you've got the vocal cords to do

1115
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,040
it you know so

1116
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,960
um but it's a combination of frequencies

1117
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,240
two set different frequencies one

1118
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,760
deliverable by one deliverable by vocal

1119
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,359
and it's what we refer to as a double

1120
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,320
lock system a double lock system

1121
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,359
um takes place in the central point of

1122
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:55,680
these resonant chambers

1123
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,520
and allowing those individuals to have

1124
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,280
the experience

1125
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:04,160
um of communication with deities

1126
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,119
now

1127
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,119
that the process of that i mean it's

1128
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,800
been done all over the world you know

1129
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,560
and uh

1130
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,240
and the same methods we're doing pretty

1131
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,480
much i mean they're very very clever our

1132
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,400
ancient ancestors of course you know

1133
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,079
we're not as clever as them in that

1134
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,320
sense because when though we've advanced

1135
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,720
we've lost all the um

1136
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:25,040
we've devolved internally you know

1137
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,839
physiologically we're fine but

1138
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,960
psychologically we've devolved

1139
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,960
you know our ancient ancestors probably

1140
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,040
could have even heard you know the

1141
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:35,440
infrasonic sounds of planet earth yeah

1142
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,200
it's uh at 7.83 hertz you know the human

1143
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,720
resonance so

1144
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:42,240
they could have probably picked i've

1145
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,520
absolutely guaranteed it would have

1146
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,200
picked up on that because these evidence

1147
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,960
in the writings and the work and the

1148
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,359
work that they've left behind in stone

1149
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,160
it tells us that they must have had

1150
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,079
knowledge of these frequencies where to

1151
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,599
build things how to build things you

1152
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,560
know and

1153
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,560
of course we've lost that internally and

1154
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,960
us here you know

1155
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:03,440
sapien sapiens now

1156
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,400
um

1157
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:06,640
uh compared to our ancestors we're just

1158
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,560
homo sapiens we've we've devolved in

1159
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,560
in a psychological sense

1160
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,520
but evolved in in another

1161
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:17,280
and so we're trying to gather up i mean

1162
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,800
a lot of our information doesn't lie in

1163
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,640
the future it means to go back into the

1164
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:22,319
past and learn about a bit about what

1165
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,920
our ancients like you can't get that

1166
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,119
from digging up an old boat

1167
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,680
unfortunately you know television tell

1168
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,440
us about you could do you know that the

1169
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,960
consciousness the spirituality of what

1170
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,200
we were capable of doing psychically and

1171
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,720
can't do it from a bone nobody will ever

1172
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,640
tell us i can't get that informational

1173
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,640
thoughts right now but the evidence lies

1174
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,119
behind it tells us that they were very

1175
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,680
well aware of this phenomena and

1176
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,440
interacted with this law sometimes they

1177
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,480
didn't want to interact with this

1178
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,160
phenomenon in certain places where they

1179
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,560
destroyed their own

1180
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,040
um locations where they were

1181
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,800
having these communications with dancing

1182
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,680
so

1183
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,839
it's um it's a phenomenon it's tracked

1184
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,160
through time over and over again and

1185
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,720
perceived to exchange you know maybe in

1186
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,800
years to come we'll change again you

1187
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,079
know we won't have the grade we'll have

1188
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,079
something else you know i mean where's

1189
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,960
baseball is now yeah let me ask steve

1190
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,240
it's an interesting point you mentioned

1191
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,000
we it seemed to at one point i've had an

1192
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,960
ability or a relationship with these

1193
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,480
other beings whether you want to look at

1194
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,400
chariots of the gods you know the the

1195
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,680
pyramids and

1196
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,520
stonehenge where are we communicating

1197
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,200
with other beings that we then went on

1198
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,520
to call gods and deities and various

1199
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,880
religions were formed throughout the

1200
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,359
world even to modern day cargo cults

1201
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,760
where tribes in the jungle saw aircraft

1202
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,680
of our own landing and thinking these

1203
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,520
were incredible technologies that were

1204
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,359
you know unimaginable and they built

1205
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,880
runways to see if they would land again

1206
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,319
but they never did because we didn't

1207
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,000
need that piece of land

1208
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,440
do you think we've gone from a place of

1209
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,960
not needing the technology and having

1210
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,200
that kind of spiritual connection to

1211
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,880
whatever these things may have been

1212
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,800
we've gone through a period of evolution

1213
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,400
where we've gone away from that

1214
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,480
spiritual side and consciousness side of

1215
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,480
our any kind of connection to the

1216
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,079
universe and we're moving into a more

1217
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:01,839
technological age where now the

1218
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,319
technology is getting to a point we can

1219
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,000
replace that connection with the

1220
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,079
technological side of things and maybe

1221
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,000
we're going to get back away and maybe

1222
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,839
that's why these sightings increase why

1223
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,920
we can see these things better

1224
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,160
what are your thoughts on that um well

1225
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,680
you know i mean

1226
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,880
there's always a worry when you're

1227
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,319
referring to you know trump's

1228
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,640
transhumanism and how artificial

1229
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,079
intelligence might

1230
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:26,720
help us achieve some things in many ways

1231
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,680
it will

1232
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,760
in other ways though it won't

1233
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,520
i think you know one of the biggest

1234
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,599
things that we're unaware of which is

1235
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,880
geology

1236
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,240
you know i mean we we know about this

1237
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,800
phenomena i mean we realized we we got

1238
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,560
on track with this

1239
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,960
utilizing different satellites in orbit

1240
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,800
looking at the gravitational anomalies

1241
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:46,000
and

1242
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,079
the colleague by fitzgerald worked on

1243
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:54,960
that extensively and um and

1244
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:57,280
cross-checked over 2000 different cases

1245
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,280
worldwide with major ufo events and all

1246
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,359
were taking place in areas which are

1247
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:06,079
over 250 nano teslas

1248
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,440
to realize

1249
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,280
that those areas are have a low

1250
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:11,680
bacterial area these are safe shelves

1251
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,560
and so

1252
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,839
if you're going to enter into an

1253
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,920
environment you enter into a safe zone

1254
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,240
and you leave on that safe zone so it's

1255
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,480
it's kind of it's like i guess it's a

1256
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,240
bit like um

1257
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,160
a person might take you know the doctors

1258
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,720
that do operations for example it's a a

1259
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,119
very sterile zone you know these

1260
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,319
these areas of over 250 nano teslas you

1261
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,880
know um i mean bacteria doesn't like

1262
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:36,960
positive magnetic

1263
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,839
energy so it doesn't do many good uh so

1264
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,680
therefore these are you know pretty much

1265
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,160
safe cells as low bacteria levels are

1266
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,839
um we know that they're manifesting in

1267
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,760
these key locations but we weren't the

1268
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,440
first to figure that out i mean philip

1269
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,800
corso

1270
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,280
who wrote david roswell

1271
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,599
and he said in 1982 this is going back

1272
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,680
sometime that the u.s government were

1273
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,680
watching monitoring

1274
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:01,680
at least between five and seven and

1275
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,640
major uh magnetic positive magnetic

1276
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,880
regions in association to ufo

1277
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,359
manifestations um and i think they hit a

1278
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,280
nail on the head there are key locations

1279
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,720
around this planet

1280
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,760
that um that seemingly have phenomena i

1281
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,960
mean it's like we can go all the way

1282
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,720
back to skinwalker ranch you know for

1283
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,640
instance it's not about the ranch it's

1284
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,359
about the ground it's about the location

1285
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,520
and again it's a positive magnetic

1286
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,480
region over 250 nano teslas um it's the

1287
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,280
same for i know six ranchers actually

1288
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,960
it's not just one there's six active

1289
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,440
ones and and yeah skim skimwalker is

1290
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,800
still active i mean

1291
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:38,880
my colleague was there barry simmer

1292
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:41,640
barry over and back went over in october

1293
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,480
2019 a phenomenon is still going on but

1294
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,560
it's it seems to have moved out towards

1295
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:47,920
the ridgeline

1296
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,640
um somewhat but uh it's still uh it's

1297
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,000
still present

1298
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,760
um and it is for these other ranchers as

1299
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,200
well but it's not the ranches it's the

1300
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,119
ground it's locations these active

1301
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,560
locations where

1302
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,960
there's these interactions now we could

1303
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,880
say people like to say oh well these

1304
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,640
portals and

1305
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,720
though i don't really like the word even

1306
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,880
nasa using the dial that they don't work

1307
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,040
now i mean they confirmed through the

1308
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,880
mms mission

1309
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:15,359
of four satellites um

1310
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,319
which

1311
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,640
went out maybe about what what was that

1312
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,640
now about about six five years ago or

1313
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,079
something like that

1314
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,560
that portals exist um not only are they

1315
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,560
large but they are sustainable they use

1316
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,079
the word portal

1317
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,000
you know they they could confirm they're

1318
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,520
real and so um

1319
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,440
their professional name is it is an

1320
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,520
electron diffusion region

1321
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,400
and

1322
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,319
what happens when it's sustainable well

1323
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,720
you know start getting into the ideas of

1324
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:45,040
sustaining wormhole technology and uh

1325
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,839
and there is a lots of uh evidence

1326
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,760
that's uh which nasa have got now in

1327
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:51,760
other astronomical

1328
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,640
uh departments to show that there's a

1329
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,160
there's could be a lot of evidence to

1330
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,359
wormhole

1331
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,920
um initiation techniques and stuff like

1332
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,839
that so it's it's getting very

1333
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,400
interesting but this phenomena seems to

1334
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,920
utilize key locations on planet earth

1335
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,480
um and you can track that and you not

1336
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,079
only when you go to those locations

1337
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,079
though interestingly enough they're also

1338
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,000
very potent in regarding paranormal

1339
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,560
disturbances or cryptids or mysterious

1340
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,240
disappearances and they say mysterious i

1341
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:22,960
mean the most profound of disappearances

1342
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,839
um and um and these these locations just

1343
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,240
keep popping up and up again

1344
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,720
so we visited those locations we thought

1345
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,400
well okay if that's the case we'll put

1346
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,599
it to the test

1347
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:35,520
and we did and we witnessed phenomena

1348
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,480
firsthand on numerous occasions but the

1349
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:40,000
problem is is that you know it's a

1350
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,599
massive dealing with that phenomenon

1351
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,400
because we don't really know

1352
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,560
what we're going to have i mean it's not

1353
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,480
all love and light andy i can tell you

1354
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,480
that you know but the problem is is that

1355
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,000
within this subject there's a lot of

1356
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,640
people want to push that forward the

1357
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,480
love and light aspect

1358
00:47:04,230 --> 00:46:57,359
and

1359
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,240
push under the carpet you know the the

1360
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,400
ones which aren't haven't ended well for

1361
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,560
people yeah you know not all you know is

1362
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,720
and um and i have to look at the subject

1363
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,839
as a whole

1364
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,400
rather than just pick it aside here

1365
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,319
uh and i can say it's very manipulative

1366
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,079
it's very deceptive

1367
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,680
and it's exactly the same manipulation

1368
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,160
and deceptive i found within the same

1369
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,559
circle experiments and stuff like that

1370
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,520
um

1371
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,839
which we took place for years it's the

1372
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:29,040
same

1373
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,119
the phenomena uses either side so

1374
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,280
it makes it more intriguing to me you

1375
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,720
know that there's these connections

1376
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,200
between this phenomena um but it doesn't

1377
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,800
help us when we're being delivered that

1378
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,800
in that information you know that oh

1379
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,559
well the other question over the planet

1380
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,720
and that's okay i don't

1381
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,400
where's the evidence for that well if

1382
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,760
you want to search out all the evidence

1383
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:55,119
for that i tell you where it comes from

1384
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,240
comes from

1385
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,160
the entities themselves

1386
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,559
telling people oh yeah well we come from

1387
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,720
here what we call them there you know

1388
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,240
um

1389
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,079
and i wouldn't believe that nor would i

1390
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,480
believe information being passed to us

1391
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,040
to be authentic around the sales table

1392
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,280
when we got to a point where in advanced

1393
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,920
studies of science circles and

1394
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,119
communications instrumental

1395
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,280
transcommunication and dvp direct

1396
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,640
voicemail

1397
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,040
the um the phenomena got to a point

1398
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,040
where we could ask 10 questions and say

1399
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,359
okay we can ask in 10 questions and it

1400
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,599
delivered all answers all 10 answers

1401
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,359
before we even gave the question because

1402
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,400
it means it knows us in our mind the

1403
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,920
phenomena can tell us anything you can

1404
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,480
obtain it from us you know so

1405
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,160
don't be shocked to be told that you

1406
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,319
issue uncle or whatever because that's

1407
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:44,079
what's in your mind you know you'll be

1408
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:45,760
what you expect it to be just like a

1409
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,559
pulse guys can seemingly manifest itself

1410
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,359
to be something which is of a loss wrong

1411
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,960
long-lost relative when it wasn't

1412
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,720
initially at all in the first place you

1413
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,599
know we

1414
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,400
we created in a sense a tulpa to some

1415
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:00,480
degrees you know so

1416
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,720
um so it's it's very very tricky but um

1417
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,319
we have to come up with new methods of

1418
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,480
research and push forward project always

1419
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,599
doing that

1420
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,599
i mean we've got so much evidence now i

1421
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:13,359
mean um

1422
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,119
it's quite remarkable that the that

1423
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,559
when we're dealing with an age-old

1424
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,119
phenomena that's quite manipulative

1425
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,800
he has its own agenda to do what he

1426
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,240
wants to do

1427
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,559
and has been conducting so under the

1428
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,640
under the guise of so many different

1429
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:31,040
disguises over the years

1430
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,160
um

1431
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,920
and they do get it wrong you know they

1432
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,160
get it wrong sometimes uh a craft

1433
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,000
appears and it's not big enough to carry

1434
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,880
the occupants or it's got portholes and

1435
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:42,400
rivets around and it didn't get that

1436
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,839
right i mean you should have portholes

1437
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,200
and rivers

1438
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,800
so much you know treasure terrestrial

1439
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:48,319
craft you don't expect to see it you

1440
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,200
know so

1441
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:51,200
um yeah again you get it wrong sometimes

1442
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,480
it's not uh it's not a perfect situation

1443
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,599
you know but um yeah that's

1444
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,680
it it makes it all intriguing because no

1445
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,920
matter what you were going to experience

1446
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,760
whilst we were out there we experienced

1447
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,520
it and i could say they could put a

1448
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,000
lovely light show on they can glamour

1449
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,680
you know but what are you going to be

1450
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:11,200
aware of is that you know while she's

1451
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,319
being glamored and looking at these

1452
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,240
beautiful lives you've got to be aware

1453
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:16,240
of what might be on the ground behind

1454
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,680
you you know so

1455
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,960
you just you don't know what type of

1456
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,880
experience you're going to have um and

1457
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,640
some people have had bad experiences so

1458
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,800
i'm not a promoter about experiences of

1459
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,960
the phenomena and when i go on lecture

1460
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,480
around the world i'll deliver the

1461
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,359
phenomena you know good bad take it as

1462
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:33,440
it is you know it's not all love and

1463
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,400
light

1464
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,000
um and can we believe all the

1465
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,920
information and

1466
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,880
you know

1467
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,480
they're very very tricky these things

1468
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,599
sometimes

1469
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,880
i'm going to put the link to your

1470
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,960
contact in the desert presentation on

1471
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,720
project doorway and another phenomena

1472
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,160
that was involved that's available

1473
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:50,079
online it'll be in the description for

1474
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,520
for the show for anyone who wants to

1475
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,040
check that out very interesting i've

1476
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,480
managed to get through most of it myself

1477
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,920
as well and just in researching this

1478
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,000
show so um definitely check that out

1479
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,480
folks you mentioned yourself before that

1480
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,480
you felt you had

1481
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,119
exhausted the ufo subject by the late

1482
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,599
90s and then obviously you've come back

1483
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,359
into it as your investigations and

1484
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,760
research have gone on many would say and

1485
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,200
i include myself in this as someone

1486
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,280
who's had a lifelong interest in the ufo

1487
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,000
topic that in 2017 the the new york

1488
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,160
times article tour stars academy and

1489
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,400
other things that happened at that time

1490
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,480
for many changed the course of ufology

1491
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,160
i've talked about at that point there'd

1492
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,559
been a bit of a fork in the road that

1493
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,240
there was one camp and one train of

1494
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,040
thought for many and it sort of split at

1495
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,040
that point and we're still seeing the

1496
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,920
ramifications of that split now how have

1497
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,760
you seen the subject change in just

1498
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,480
those last kind of four or five years

1499
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,480
um well you know i mean it's no longer

1500
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,559
to hear the elephant in the room now you

1501
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:48,319
know which is a good point

1502
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,680
you know because you don't need to take

1503
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,359
my word for it you know there's there's

1504
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,160
plenty of people saying that uav exists

1505
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,520
now so

1506
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,960
um but

1507
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,480
the problem for me is i don't know if

1508
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,839
it's a real true phenomena we're

1509
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:01,359
experiencing

1510
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,640
um in in that test region of where the

1511
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,720
naval military aircraft

1512
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,800
do those types of things

1513
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,079
um

1514
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,480
i i'm not identifying it i've got it on

1515
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:14,079
the shelf at the minute really to be

1516
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,280
honest with you

1517
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:18,079
and um i haven't concluded on it as yet

1518
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,119
because

1519
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,800
i'll tell you the reasons why i've seen

1520
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:22,640
a very technological craft there moving

1521
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,079
around you know it's probably more

1522
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:26,640
likely drone type stuff

1523
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,760
and

1524
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,160
the craft was uh it was very interesting

1525
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:32,720
that the pilots when reported the

1526
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,000
tic-tacs and had four prongs underneath

1527
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,000
you know and uh and suddenly they

1528
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,760
disappeared from all

1529
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,559
reference and stuff don't know why but

1530
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,800
the original sightings portray that and

1531
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,800
those four prongs are allowed like to be

1532
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,359
pitop tubes pit up tubes are used for

1533
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,559
gps navigation on on on unmanned

1534
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,760
aircraft

1535
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,079
um and can be utilized you know that

1536
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,400
information can be fed from a satellite

1537
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,280
in all but you know so um and then we

1538
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,200
said well you know it's it's

1539
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,359
the speeds can't be achieved by the

1540
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:07,760
aircraft that we know today

1541
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,720
um you know we can't reach ridiculous

1542
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,960
speeds and uh

1543
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,240
the problem is is that people don't do

1544
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,559
enough research you know in 1963 you

1545
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:18,640
know the david adair was making rockets

1546
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,359
were troubling 8 450 miles an hour in

1547
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,319
fact he left earth and hit space so fast

1548
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,640
that he thought the rocket had blown up

1549
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,480
uh on its pad

1550
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,559
and he didn't expect a double explosion

1551
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,559
because a double explosion came from not

1552
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,880
only the launch of the this rocket but

1553
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,480
it because he reached space so fast it

1554
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,359
left a vacuum left a hollow vacuum which

1555
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,960
collapsed from the top downwards to the

1556
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,800
ground causing a double explosion blue

1557
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,760
blue cows out the field took roofs off

1558
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,040
you know

1559
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:48,880
the generals are quite impressed about

1560
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,240
those um those um magnetic uh engine

1561
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,319
ones that can magnetically shielded

1562
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,240
fusion containment engine

1563
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:01,280
um that's technology in 1962 you know i

1564
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,319
mean

1565
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,920
let's not kid ourselves you know that

1566
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,680
we've probably got technology you can't

1567
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,960
do that

1568
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,200
um can it move backwards and forwards in

1569
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,760
such a way well can't be manned

1570
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,760
surely can't demand

1571
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:15,520
if that is the case but let me just go

1572
00:54:19,950 --> 00:54:18,079
back to the days of the stealth fighter

1573
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:19,960
when stealth fighter was manufactured in

1574
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,200
1973 we first saw in 1991 hit our

1575
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,520
television screens during the 1991 gulf

1576
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,440
war and we thought wow what the

1577
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,440
americans got new toy you know

1578
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,200
uh unbeknownst to us though about being

1579
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,359
flying around the skies on test ranges

1580
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,480
since 1973 and what they did is is that

1581
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,359
on many occasions they can they competed

1582
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,640
them against

1583
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,280
pilots flying starfighters

1584
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,200
and those pilots reported you know it's

1585
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,119
a strange craft on identity five don't

1586
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,400
know what it is as far as they were

1587
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,160
concerned it was a ufo that was out

1588
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,640
maneuvering them at incredible speeds

1589
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,359
um and uh one minute was on radar that's

1590
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:57,119
when you couldn't find it and it was

1591
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:58,880
absolutely non-existent wow there it

1592
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,839
goes again you know um you know in its

1593
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,200
day

1594
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,720
uh

1595
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,240
they purposely peeing against these

1596
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,000
pilots because it's a large scenario

1597
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,920
they want to make sure

1598
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:12,400
you know that uh how they can compete

1599
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,280
you know

1600
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:15,200
what they don't want and you want really

1601
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,559
what they have to do is pilots not being

1602
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,160
able to compete with it it shows that

1603
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,680
technology works

1604
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,280
i also know from the background from the

1605
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,280
research that drone war

1606
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,599
um technology has been going on since at

1607
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,640
least 2015. i've got documentation from

1608
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:30,960
israel saying that uh and don't get me

1609
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,280
wrong the israelis are and afghanistan

1610
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,920
is a very very good identify what ufos

1611
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,920
are i mean and they don't have any

1612
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:40,480
problem writing ufo down there many many

1613
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,480
ufo documents from israel that say ufo

1614
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,040
but there is also a spread of documents

1615
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:49,440
military documents from israel military

1616
00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:53,040
bases which stipulate cia pulsate

1617
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,000
pill-shaped drones

1618
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,640
c-i-a

1619
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,720
pill-shaped drones

1620
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,400
and they couldn't catch them no doubt

1621
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,079
being out maneuvered by them it was a

1622
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:03,760
waste of time even scrambling jets to

1623
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,799
try and get them away that was 2015. so

1624
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,960
what are them and why did they call them

1625
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,119
pill-shaped cia drones why do they call

1626
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,799
them cia drones

1627
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,200
you know what they had no problem saying

1628
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,119
ufos on many other occasions but why did

1629
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,520
this aci angel was very interesting

1630
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,920
um i don't know i really really don't

1631
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,520
know i mean what i can say is go back

1632
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,640
and look at the times when these

1633
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,920
incidents happen right from the first

1634
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,680
tic tac incident

1635
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,720
and

1636
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:31,200
every time there was an incursion every

1637
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:32,000
time

1638
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:33,280
pilots

1639
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,640
were um

1640
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,520
painted against these craft so go out

1641
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:41,200
there and come head to head with these

1642
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,240
things

1643
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,079
and there'd always been a recent

1644
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,079
military installation

1645
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,920
on board the roosevelt or the nimitz or

1646
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,160
a number of other vessels in regarding

1647
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,400
high-tech radar systems and numerous

1648
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:54,240
different other pieces of

1649
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,000
equipment

1650
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,839
and it was always just after that

1651
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,359
installation

1652
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,359
um when pilots would encounter these

1653
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,880
things it's like

1654
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:04,000
wondering

1655
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,359
and what are they trying to achieve now

1656
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,920
is is this where they fitted new infra

1657
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:09,760
new material

1658
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,119
uh new radar systems and they want a

1659
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,040
large scenario against some of the most

1660
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:17,520
exotic aircraft that we have on planet

1661
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,839
earth now which is probably pilotless

1662
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,440
because that's the way to go

1663
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:23,839
uh against some of the best pilots that

1664
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,920
we have flying aircraft and there's

1665
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,000
probably no comparison

1666
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,079
um and i don't think we're the only ones

1667
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,680
i think that china or russia have them

1668
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,359
is plenty of paintings that they've got

1669
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,040
to show that they've been working on

1670
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,839
drone technology hyper hyper speed

1671
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:40,240
hypersonic drone technology for the last

1672
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,680
25 years

1673
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,720
so

1674
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,359
um i wouldn't want to place the bat and

1675
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:46,960
they only

1676
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,520
say okay it's the phenomena

1677
00:57:53,710 --> 00:57:51,839
because to me the ufo phenomena is one

1678
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:53,720
that materializes

1679
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,559
dematerializes it morphs it creates

1680
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,000
certain infrastructure frequencies has

1681
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,240
the observed effects and all these are

1682
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:02,319
you know it can split sometimes some of

1683
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,520
these things just

1684
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,280
split into doing

1685
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:07,359
you know it's it's remarkable so some of

1686
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,640
the the phenomena but i'm not seeing it

1687
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,839
present

1688
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,240
in a location that could be like a new

1689
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,599
area 51.

1690
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,680
it's better than area 51 because you

1691
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,440
can't fly over it

1692
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,359
you can't take a ship through it so a

1693
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,200
militarized zone

1694
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,880
so you and you can't see it from land

1695
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,720
because it's too far out you know it's

1696
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,760
beyond the horizon the operations

1697
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,440
uh it's not a perfect place that's the

1698
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,040
best place probably on one of the best

1699
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,359
places probably probably antarctica well

1700
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,720
um to to conduct these things in a in a

1701
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,200
very specific region only used by the

1702
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,640
navy

1703
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,960
for these particular tests

1704
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,799
um i'm not

1705
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,200
i'm on the shelf i'm on the show i'll

1706
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,760
tell you i i really am um i was very

1707
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,079
suspicious about a tip coming out i mean

1708
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,359
um

1709
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,040
when it first did because

1710
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,799
the first thing that they did is on the

1711
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,559
ttsa

1712
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,799
is um they got a big conference together

1713
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,160
and he went out to the world and he was

1714
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,680
a big screen behind him showing his

1715
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,359
object on the screen

1716
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,119
and the photograph that was object on

1717
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,000
the screen was a minor balloon yeah

1718
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,720
and in fact it was my photo

1719
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:16,640
and which had been taken for only one

1720
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,160
place on the internet which was on the

1721
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,480
jeff wren sightings website

1722
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,480
um and it had not only been taken but

1723
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,640
it's been manipulated been light blasted

1724
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,400
and put up mused

1725
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,839
and i couldn't believe it i saw it i

1726
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,760
thought i'd go a second not even my team

1727
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,440
would do that i'm not gonna be to do

1728
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:32,799
that and we're talking supposed to be

1729
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,200
talking about some of the most academic

1730
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,520
science guys in the subject they were

1731
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,359
lined up there on the stage

1732
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,280
and i thought to myself how can he you

1733
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,599
know something don't ring right here the

1734
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,079
control over it now it's been perceived

1735
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:47,839
so i was very very suspicious right from

1736
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,880
day one

1737
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:51,359
i mean you know it helps when i had a

1738
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:54,319
relative it was a a top gun trainer and

1739
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:56,000
uh flavor favorite was the top lung

1740
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:57,920
trainer originally as well so

1741
01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:00,400
um i bought so as soon as i uncle man

1742
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,440
and um

1743
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,960
they tell me about how things work and

1744
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,640
procedures sometimes yeah they just

1745
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,319
don't know where they're going to go out

1746
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,040
and uh repeated against they're always

1747
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,200
always petered against new technology

1748
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,440
all pilots are you know they'll never

1749
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:15,359
say it they'll never say that on one day

1750
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,040
i was told to just fly out to this zone

1751
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,680
and then one bambingo i was up against

1752
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,079
an f-22 raptor or whatever and i had

1753
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,640
absolutely no chance uh they'll never

1754
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,640
tell you that but that's what they do

1755
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:28,079
you know it's a large scenario it's like

1756
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,839
when you're in the in the army and they

1757
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:31,119
take to go through the fight it's not

1758
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:32,480
going to tell you that company b is

1759
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,839
going to jump you halfway through you

1760
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,400
know a live scenario so they can get the

1761
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,920
right measurements and all the

1762
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,079
information i mean and then you take all

1763
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,079
that information and take it back in the

1764
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,760
past when pilots had signs and it was

1765
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,680
like don't talk about it you know it's

1766
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:47,599
official secret don't talk about

1767
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,119
in this occasion oh well we want the

1768
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,359
information i'll let the pilots talk

1769
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:53,440
and they were there within next to no

1770
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,599
time to retrieve all that data how did

1771
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:57,040
you get there so fast how did they know

1772
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,319
about it so fast

1773
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:00,640
and even just took it all away it all

1774
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,000
sounds like an inside job so all the

1775
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,160
right okay so i i appreciate everything

1776
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,000
you've said okay because you're right

1777
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,720
that i don't doubt that any military

1778
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:13,119
test on their own because there's enough

1779
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,720
evidence of that throughout history that

1780
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,720
it's happened in various horrific ways

1781
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,240
as well at times

1782
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,559
technology-wise i imagine the technology

1783
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,640
we have is incredible and no doubt would

1784
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:25,920
mimic some of these ufos uaps movements

1785
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,960
as well

1786
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,880
regarding the tic tac event though

1787
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,640
working backwards you mentioned how did

1788
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,799
they know so the event was going on for

1789
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:34,400
seven to ten days

1790
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,359
and

1791
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,119
apparently there were installations

1792
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,599
along that seaboard that can monitor

1793
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,119
ballistic missiles coming in from

1794
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,520
elsewhere coming in through orbit so it

1795
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:45,920
would be people have taken that the

1796
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:48,640
incident happened with fravor and within

1797
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,000
minutes they were on board and took that

1798
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,880
information well if another installation

1799
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:54,960
or organization was already aware of

1800
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,720
these objects being there for seven to

1801
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:59,200
ten days then they would have been aware

1802
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,559
of what was happening and what was going

1803
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:02,240
on and if there was movement and one of

1804
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,680
them's broken away and there's been an

1805
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,520
engagement so that that would answer

1806
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,960
that one for me

1807
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:09,280
quite reasonably the the drone

1808
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,599
absolutely the us will have incredible

1809
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,680
drone technology the russians i'm sure

1810
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:15,119
they do but they're not using them right

1811
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:16,880
now in an active war situation which is

1812
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,880
interesting and telling given they're

1813
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,799
quite happy to let their tanks get stuck

1814
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,960
in the mud and embarrassing themselves

1815
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,200
quite frankly technologically

1816
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,599
the chinese is a funny one because chris

1817
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,760
melon came out very intelligent man who

1818
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,160
again on on these these subjects is more

1819
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,400
or less and just actually a few days ago

1820
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,559
declared again that the et hypothesis is

1821
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,480
most likely when you look at all

1822
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,160
scenarios on the table

1823
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,720
he mentioned them some months ago that

1824
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:44,880
if you look at a recent chinese rocket

1825
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,880
failure they tried to launch a rocket

1826
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,119
into space and ended up landing on a

1827
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,839
rural road crushing the road defense and

1828
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:54,079
almost going down a hillside you know

1829
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,440
and he mentioned you know that's the

1830
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:57,359
technology i'm looking at however to

1831
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,880
counteract that argument from chris

1832
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,440
mellon to be fair and for me not to boy

1833
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,760
or just be one-sided a few weeks later

1834
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,440
the chinese then launched a hypersonic

1835
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:06,960
missile which flew around the earth that

1836
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:09,680
the us apparently had no idea that they

1837
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,839
had which i probably don't believe but

1838
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,280
you know that's them keeping that to

1839
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,640
themselves

1840
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,880
the tic tic-tac itself potentially a

1841
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,200
drone but why a 40-foot drone because

1842
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:21,599
flavor reported the size of it for me

1843
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,200
the fact that dropped from that height

1844
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,280
to a dead stop as many of them did you

1845
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,039
know it was raining ufos as kevin d as

1846
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:29,200
garyvee he said again there's a

1847
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,880
technological leap

1848
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,039
that just seems more than 10 20 or 30

1849
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,359
years to me or even 50 years

1850
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:36,960
and some of the maneuverability that

1851
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,200
we've not seen the data for but we've

1852
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:41,839
heard the data for and it's that and i

1853
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:44,480
think it's like a louis lozondo says

1854
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,839
you're right that no doubt we have

1855
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:47,440
technology that can go thousands of

1856
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,799
miles an hour a thousand miles per hour

1857
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:53,039
the dead stops the turns

1858
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:53,920
the

1859
01:04:02,309 --> 01:04:00,960
russian or chinese technology

1860
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,319
however i do

1861
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,240
appreciate a lot of what you've said as

1862
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,920
they know don't have tech

1863
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:08,000
far superior than what we know

1864
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:09,520
yeah i mean if you talk to researchers

1865
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,960
all around the world andy and you'll say

1866
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:12,319
okay you know i don't think then they'll

1867
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:14,079
say yeah well you know because of the

1868
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,599
maneuvers and now they did so many

1869
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:17,440
things i don't really think it's our

1870
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,760
technology but then we got to start to

1871
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,599
question him about the um you know

1872
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:23,200
secret space program you know

1873
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,589
you know we got to say okay well i mean

1874
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,520
i know that is um

1875
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,760
i've seen the chinese

1876
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:36,799
um

1877
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,400
well it's a drone it's it's a handy

1878
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,000
classic helicopter it looks like it

1879
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,680
looks like a tic tac looks like it's a

1880
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:46,079
black one actually um and it's roughly

1881
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,680
about that same size to be honest with

1882
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,839
you um no visible blades or anything it

1883
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:51,359
was just a

1884
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:54,240
pill-shaped black thing

1885
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,760
that they had and that was about five

1886
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,599
six or six years ago

1887
01:05:01,589 --> 01:05:00,000
um i mean you know there's 22 pieces of

1888
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,599
video footage which is still left to

1889
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:03,280
come out they've got they've got a film

1890
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,960
of this not put it out there i've got

1891
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:07,200
film i've got true film while everybody

1892
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:08,720
was staring at the

1893
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,640
the infrared images of a heat trace from

1894
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:13,920
something that you couldn't identify

1895
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,160
with tic-tac-shaped or not i was looking

1896
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,160
at video footage taken from the location

1897
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:20,240
because they've got real proper footage

1898
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:23,599
yeah it's it is a tic-tac-shape they do

1899
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:24,559
move

1900
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:27,119
remarkably weird in the sky as if

1901
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,839
they're

1902
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:29,200
as if they

1903
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,559
shouldn't have the capabilities to move

1904
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:32,480
like that but you know you don't know if

1905
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:33,200
they're

1906
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,839
are they fully immersive within our

1907
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:38,160
environment for what i mean why don't

1908
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:39,119
you know

1909
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,480
sometimes there's reports that they

1910
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,400
don't even make awake they're entering

1911
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,559
into the ocean why is that because

1912
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,920
they're not connected with our physical

1913
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,680
reality in some states something that's

1914
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:49,520
not connected into our physical reality

1915
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,359
can maneuver any hypersonic speed

1916
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,960
backwards and forwards just as

1917
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,880
apparitions can and anything else you

1918
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:55,839
know i mean

1919
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,720
we have a problem of of thinking that

1920
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:00,799
everything is in the normal realistic

1921
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:02,960
world that we're looking at and feel

1922
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,280
when we experience something like that

1923
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:07,280
but it might not necessarily be so it

1924
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,720
might be the case that you know they can

1925
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,559
pop in and pop out you might be able to

1926
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,319
see these things they don't get them on

1927
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:14,480
radar but just seeing them is not enough

1928
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,119
to say to represent them in our reality

1929
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,200
because there's no evidence sometimes to

1930
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:21,520
expect you know we like to say you know

1931
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,960
sometimes they might be seen to pass

1932
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:24,400
through a solid item sometimes might

1933
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:25,599
seem to go into the ocean not leave

1934
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:26,480
awake

1935
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:27,760
you know they're not connecting with the

1936
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:30,839
physical reality around us you know

1937
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:33,839
and we when we're dealing with something

1938
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:35,839
like that then it's something i would

1939
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,839
say is beyond

1940
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:40,079
that is the phenomena if that's the case

1941
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,520
you know um

1942
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,359
but i'm not seeing enough i'm just a

1943
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,280
kind of i'm just kind of on the seesaw

1944
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,440
and do you know what i would love to i

1945
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,599
would love to see more

1946
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:51,039
to support

1947
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:53,039
the phenomena that i'm used to

1948
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,039
experiencing within

1949
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:57,280
my research field in the uap

1950
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,960
um as opposed to advanced technology

1951
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,799
that's the problem i mean you know we we

1952
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,480
talked about roswell and we say well you

1953
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:06,240
know what it's been 75 years actually

1954
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:07,359
this year

1955
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,039
75 years

1956
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,280
can we re replicate

1957
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,039
a craft like that

1958
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:15,039
um taking into consideration it only

1959
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:16,480
takes two and a half years to build an

1960
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:17,760
aircraft carrier

1961
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,839
um and we know the size of them well you

1962
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,760
know imagine having unlimited resources

1963
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:23,119
the best money the best brains in the

1964
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:24,000
world

1965
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,680
i would say yeah i don't think it would

1966
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,920
take too long to work out and back

1967
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,920
engineer something as long as we've got

1968
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:31,760
the properties

1969
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:34,319
here on earth to create those things and

1970
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,119
yeah

1971
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,240
are going to be shouting at me if i

1972
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:39,920
don't ask this you mentioned just before

1973
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,280
that you've seen alternative footage was

1974
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:45,520
that of the same tic tac event

1975
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,400
no

1976
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,720
i got independent footage from people on

1977
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:51,200
the coastline the mexican shoreline

1978
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:54,079
yeah and uh all the tic tacs in flight

1979
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,079
color beautiful color daylight beautiful

1980
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,000
why why doesn't that

1981
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:02,160
why isn't it one online or why wouldn't

1982
01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:03,760
you release that the second one i'm

1983
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:06,319
guessing is an obvious answer to

1984
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,319
yeah

1985
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:11,520
um i'm waiting for the other stuff i'm

1986
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,359
waiting for them to be to release it so

1987
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,880
i can match it up

1988
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:16,640
you know but i've got it and i've you

1989
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,159
know i've shown it a couple of times on

1990
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,560
um in fact you might actually see it on

1991
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,319
one of my presentations i have shown

1992
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:24,480
yeah yeah recorded by a friend of mine

1993
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:25,600
called uh

1994
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,279
called amber it wasn't unbelievable

1995
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:31,359
um

1996
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,799
i've got color footage and i'm looking

1997
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,560
at this daylight footage it's not too

1998
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,199
far away it's pretty reasonably close

1999
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:41,359
and um and yeah i've got better stuff

2000
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:43,520
out there than than the than the navy

2001
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,199
are putting out you know so

2002
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,040
and and i also know from the top from

2003
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:49,359
talking in circles with help

2004
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,319
there's about 22 videos and they've got

2005
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:54,080
which never been released

2006
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,679
you know there's not just gun camera

2007
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:57,279
infrared footage you've got you've got

2008
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:58,799
all sorts of stuff but i'm not releasing

2009
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:01,920
it um i am suspicious absolutely yeah i

2010
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,640
mean i look through all the dating times

2011
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,719
of when these incidents take place

2012
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,080
there's always installation of stuff

2013
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:10,640
that's happening um i'm one i'm just

2014
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,279
looking for a key element to take place

2015
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,040
because you know i

2016
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,759
when i look back at main breaks and

2017
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,520
naval operations i've had these

2018
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,679
encounters in uab before

2019
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,159
and not like that they've always been

2020
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:25,759
very different

2021
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:27,839
you know to the point where ufo uh a

2022
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:29,600
disc shaped object was hovering nobody

2023
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:32,080
you were seen in the sky

2024
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:33,120
then

2025
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,040
apparition of a person was seen who gave

2026
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,359
naval officers information pertaining to

2027
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,359
the engine of the ussr together was

2028
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,120
going to blow up the following day

2029
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,960
uh her new and he walked off just

2030
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,640
through the hall

2031
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:51,199
uh part and parcel of the ufc phenomena

2032
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:54,159
and the apparition again come together

2033
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,920
and it was only when the information

2034
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,199
happened and he went and checked he

2035
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:59,199
realized that if he doesn't act upon it

2036
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,400
it would have

2037
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:02,000
the the server together would have gone

2038
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,000
down following day that now that's

2039
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,159
extremely well documented it's got

2040
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,159
numerous different official

2041
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,400
naval people involved here

2042
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:12,320
um and it's a very well known incident i

2043
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:13,760
mean that's just one i mean you could

2044
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,080
get into main breaks or even better but

2045
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:18,000
you know but and then

2046
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:19,440
this

2047
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:23,120
and all that sort of thing

2048
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:24,719
you know the most recent one was the

2049
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,840
there was a

2050
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:27,360
one particular naval aircraft was

2051
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:28,880
swarmed

2052
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:32,960
saying

2053
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,760
um and um

2054
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,600
and then there was a reference to

2055
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,520
kind of saying well maybe that the

2056
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,280
drones were

2057
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,280
um

2058
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:45,199
drills you can buy it was done for

2059
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:46,719
people on land

2060
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,199
uh but i talked to a drone expert and he

2061
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:51,120
said there's absolutely no way we

2062
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,360
haven't got drones in the public

2063
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,920
you know just out for the public to buy

2064
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,760
with the capabilities of flying that

2065
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:00,000
length of time so we doing those

2066
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,679
maneuvers and having so many do those

2067
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:05,679
over that distance is just impossible i

2068
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,520
had to get something else

2069
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:10,000
um so i agree yeah yeah i agree i don't

2070
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:11,040
know

2071
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,280
drones what's different about them who

2072
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,280
makes them refer them to drones

2073
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,120
at this moment in time we don't know if

2074
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:21,520
the tic tac is uh piloted

2075
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:24,640
we have no idea if it's piloted or not

2076
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:27,840
the maneuvers would suggest no if it's

2077
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:30,719
you know under our normal physics

2078
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,679
and

2079
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,840
also that in some cases some of the

2080
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,520
phenomena doesn't seem to interact with

2081
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,800
the physics of

2082
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,719
of its environment

2083
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,640
which would lead me to believe yet some

2084
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,640
of these things might be

2085
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,080
the phenomena

2086
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,840
um but i'm not seeing that connects to

2087
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,280
tic-tac

2088
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:48,960
yeah sure

2089
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,280
yeah maybe some of the other bits more

2090
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:53,440
um so a bit like that you know there are

2091
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,880
some wonderful toys out there i know

2092
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,719
we've got rain i know we've not not only

2093
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,199
made our invisibility actual visible

2094
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,679
visual invisibility now

2095
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,440
um that's manufactured it's been out

2096
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,120
there for a long time

2097
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,520
uh amongst lots of other wonderful toys

2098
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:09,360
and what they're building utilizing

2099
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,320
metamaterials now and a newfound study

2100
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,800
um who knows who really knows what's

2101
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,560
actually out there and what's being used

2102
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,480
i mean it's yeah at the end of the day

2103
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,400
we probably will never know

2104
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,239
you know it's probably for at least

2105
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:24,080
another 50 or 100 years if we're looking

2106
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,520
so you know because it is such a

2107
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:27,280
technological jump

2108
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,640
um but i would say we've got some

2109
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:30,400
wonderful toys but the question is if we

2110
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:32,800
have those wonderful toys where are they

2111
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,679
you know

2112
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:36,080
are they being seen are they being shown

2113
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:38,480
um i've got a really good in some really

2114
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:39,679
good there's a really good image on that

2115
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,320
presentation there of uh of an object

2116
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,080
scene over florida

2117
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,679
of october 2019 which we analyzed and

2118
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,920
it's a very close-up of an object which

2119
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:51,760
defies

2120
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,640
normal lift quit moving through the sky

2121
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,400
doesn't have any numbers lettering or

2122
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,640
identification on it and it's clearly

2123
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,920
looks like something that comes straight

2124
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,000
out of a star wars film but it's there

2125
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,840
there's 20 of different witnesses it was

2126
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,520
a live event at the top place everybody

2127
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:07,280
was recording it

2128
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:10,719
and and it was seen um i would say if

2129
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,000
you know for those people i will look at

2130
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,600
that presentation

2131
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,280
uh look at that object taking over

2132
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,520
florida that is

2133
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,440
our technology

2134
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,679
you know but um

2135
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:23,760
you know as to what else it could be you

2136
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,679
know is who knows

2137
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:27,520
hopefully over a period of time i'll see

2138
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,199
something that will lead me to trigger

2139
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,760
well okay i'm going to go that way is

2140
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:33,040
or i'm going to go that way it's more

2141
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,560
technological

2142
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,719
at this moment i wouldn't really want to

2143
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,040
call it to be honest that is all for

2144
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:41,040
this week's show thank you very much for

2145
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:42,960
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2146
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:45,760
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2147
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,560
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01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,640
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01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,640
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2150
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:54,640
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2151
01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:57,199
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2155
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,640
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2156
01:14:12,820 --> 01:14:10,560
folks as always keep looking up you

2157
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:12,830
never know what you might see

2158
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:43,530
i don't think he expected me

2159
01:14:43,540 --> 01:15:21,830
[Music]

2160
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:28,740
scare me

2161
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:35,150
[Music]

2162
01:15:58,860 --> 01:15:53,310
open your mind consider your heart

2163
01:15:58,870 --> 01:16:18,870
[Music]

2164
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:20,790
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

2165
01:16:33,810 --> 01:16:22,890
saucer

2166
01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:55,030
[Music]

2167
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,820
so